tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post2245699491352236418..comments2024-03-26T10:02:32.848-04:00Comments on The Adventures of Roberta X: Right to -- Uh-Oh!Roberta Xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09956807794520627885noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-91713227359575943502011-12-18T08:08:34.763-05:002011-12-18T08:08:34.763-05:00For general info - the economic data says employee...For general info - the economic data says employees in "right to work" states take home more than workers in unionized states. That is a 180 from the situation ten presidents ago. <br /><br />A part of that is in not paying dues; most is in being able to ask for another ten bucks a week when you feel you are worth it. <br /><br />StrangerStrangerhttp://extranosalley.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-43416666524327701712011-12-18T06:12:54.446-05:002011-12-18T06:12:54.446-05:00Don: we started once. Now we're starting agai...Don: we started once. Now we're starting again, and it's possibly more sweeping this time.<br /><br /> As for me, I'm essentially sidelined on the issue already, other than via my blog. I went from being a semi-active member in a small shop (4 techs) that had excellent relations with management, to being the only card-carryin' techie at a bigger place (but fewer and more focused Engineering staff), where the lowest tech was stuck with an ancient contact and got paid far above it (PR, I'll get back to that)...and I climbed the ladder there until I was management myself. After that place was taken over by new owners, things were restructured and we ended up with two techs, both "management." A few years and career changes later, I was back to punching a clock (for more than I made as a boss, having moved to a better-paying branch of the biz) back in the very same local. After a history like that, one is better off standing back.<br /><br /> It's very nearly moot for me, as I noted in my post; the problem is that any change in the status quo inevitably steps on toes and shakes things up. Me, I am not so very fond of that.<br /><br /> Footnotely, and for PR, most union (and other) contracts only specify a lower limit on your pay (etc.). There's usually nothing keeping your employer from paying you more -- if they think you are worth it and feel generous. More often, contracts are used on the Company side as an excuse to not do that and to save the employer having to take time to dicker with employees one-on-one, especially for skilled-trade labor. Fair, unfair? I don't know.Roberta Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956807794520627885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-30179649884574636202011-12-17T17:29:53.446-05:002011-12-17T17:29:53.446-05:00Ideally we would all live in a meritocracy and a w...Ideally we would all live in a meritocracy and a worker would be paid according to the worth of his work. While a business owner may run his business differently it only effects the people willing to work for him. <br /><br />When the State give exclusive right to a group of people to negotiate for everyone working in a specific trade they create a monopoly that is every bit as corrupt as any business monopoly ever could be.<br /><br />When that monopoly is held by public workers there isn't even a fair negotiation since the Union is negotiating with bureaucrats that typically doesn't have the same concern for controlling costs as a business owner. <br /><br />But the worst problem of all is that as an honest worker if I join a Union I give up my right to negotiate with my employer for what I believe is my true worth.Panamarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-19683651789110219682011-12-17T12:53:04.681-05:002011-12-17T12:53:04.681-05:00I've never figured out the reason for a public...I've never figured out the reason for a public employees union. The justification for unions was as a counter to oppressive capitalist profit-seekers. That rationale has largely gone away with the emergence of enlightened management that values trained, experienced and happy workers attracted through reasonable benefit. <br /><br />But that doesn't fit government employees. Since government has no profit motive therefore no reason to oppress the workers who are actually organizing against their employer which is...we, the people. <br /><br />I've been fortunate, since the days of my youth to ALWAYS live in a right-to-work state and those states are the most attractive to new businesses and job-seekers both.Ed Rasimushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13667325554289268659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-51961368840155496922011-12-17T11:05:34.409-05:002011-12-17T11:05:34.409-05:00I thought we had already started. My un-representa...I thought we had already started. My un-representative and a lot of his pals hauled it for Illinois when the subject came up. That was about the same time Wisconsin's legislature shut down for the same reason.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15207064332021684783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-40986746104780335192011-12-17T10:59:51.113-05:002011-12-17T10:59:51.113-05:00Ah yes, good old Governor Mitch: "Right to w...Ah yes, good old Governor Mitch: "Right to work," but no <a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20111217/NEWS05/112170321/In-final-push-governor-puts-his-weight-behind-smoking-ban?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com" rel="nofollow">"right" to smoke</a>.<br /><br />Demonstrating again that RINOS are statists, just like Democrats.Old Grouchhttp://oldgrouch.mee.nunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-67330228819690372942011-12-17T10:05:01.827-05:002011-12-17T10:05:01.827-05:00Good luck in the coming labor war. Sounds like yo...Good luck in the coming labor war. Sounds like you're planning to ride it out and take what comes, which is quite a mature thing to do for such a young gal like yourself!Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097451556633262624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-62354105293741593592011-12-17T09:26:19.645-05:002011-12-17T09:26:19.645-05:00I think Guido and Vinnie from the Local want to ta...I think Guido and Vinnie from the Local want to talk to you about why you aren't paying the Full amount of Dues. It's an Election Year, you know. And EVERYONE has to pay their Share so as to Re-elect Obama, understand?Bubblehead Les.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00730873284089958084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-79739229391590346762011-12-17T09:11:07.626-05:002011-12-17T09:11:07.626-05:00Don't know what to say.
Is this one of those ...Don't know what to say.<br /><br />Is this one of those issues where the devil is in the details? Or are right-to-work laws hemmed in by the Feds in such a way that they are pretty much all the same?<br /><br />I don't live in a right-to-work state, either. And my job isn't a standard Union job. (Though I may hang a sign for the United Code-Monkeys and Desk Geeks on my cubicle wall, and petition for members...)<br /><br />This is another member of that long list of issues where the proponents shout <i>Freedom for all</i> while the opponents should <i>Blood in the streets</i>. Because stating the issue accurately would likely bore everyone to tears.karrdehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00205160745963596856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5837660608809488753.post-9008708664206617252011-12-17T09:09:16.606-05:002011-12-17T09:09:16.606-05:00I despise the AFL/CIO. There is no more corrupt f...I despise the AFL/CIO. There is no more corrupt force on the face of the earth save for Congress.Tango Juliethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593296126387219845noreply@blogger.com