Friday, November 30, 2012

And, In Shooting News...

     ...Another person shot at Don's Guns!  Not an attempted robbery this time but a guy reportedly shot in the leg in the parking lot.  Taken to the hospital, stable condition.

     It's tempting to blame this on what Tam and Shootin' Buddy call "administrative gun-handling;" like most area gun stores, Don's has a "No Loaded Guns" sign on the door and compliance usually involves manipulating a loaded gun in the confines of a car.   If you're having an inept or unlucky day (or lifetime, whatever), that can lead to exactly this sort of outcome.  There's not enough information to be sure that's what happened here but it's certainly happened in plenty of other times and places.

     In that light, it is a reminder.  If you have to shuffle a loaded gun around, do it mindfully.  The Four Rules always apply!

    The need to move my carry gun to a locked container before entering the parking lot at work has driven my choice of means and method -- a double-action-only, off-body, in a little trigger-covering pocket-type holster that it stays in when moved to storage.  It's no substitute for paying attention but it helps reduce the odds of an ND.

     (Elsewhere on that site, a report of a fatal shooting on the south side has prompted one of the nanny-types to muse oh-so-feelingly about, "would there still be shootings if there weren't any guns?"  I guess murder isn't an issue for him; or perhaps he feels that a fellow bludgeoned to death with a brick isn't nearly as dead as a man who has been shot?)
at

23 comments:

  1. PhssthpokNovember 30, 2012 at 7:00 AM

    Everything old is new(?) again...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFWRPiNXOI

    ReplyDelete
  2. AnonymousNovember 30, 2012 at 8:17 AM

    I won't shop at a gun store with a no guns policy.

    My local haunt has a "must stay in holster" policy for carry pieces and the usual breech open policy for peices coming in for work or trade.

    I think it's a very sensible policy that avoids accidents.

    ReplyDelete
  3. skidmarkNovember 30, 2012 at 8:22 AM

    The failure of the shop to provide an "unloading barrel" or some sort of bullet trap ought to be considered negligence, if they are going to require folks to unload before entering. Yeah, I know that after a trip or two there folks ought to know not to bring loaded guns there, but that means th store is "forcing" them to travel unarmed. Not a good policy and yet so many gun stores seem to retain customers anyhow.

    stay safe.

    ReplyDelete
  4. TamNovember 30, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    My safety policy involves avoiding Don's Guns, and for reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not they have a "No Loaded Guns" sign...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ken ODecember 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM

      Am I correct in understanding that Don's is frequentec by Roscoe Cooter, Chuy and Deshawn?

      Delete
  5. Old NFONovember 30, 2012 at 8:47 AM

    Yep, four rules... IT DOES APPLY to one's self... And concur with Anon. No guns? No shopping for me.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Stuart the VikingNovember 30, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Technically, the nanny IS right. Nobody would ever get shot by a gun if guns didn't exist.

    I hear that Tesla invented an "Un-Invention Ray", but didn't believe that the 4 rules would apply to it and subsequently un-invented the thing with itself causing and invention flux that took three midgets, a 12 year old boy, and a talking aardvark to fix, thus saving the world from EEEEVVVIIIILLLL.

    or something like that.

    s

    ReplyDelete
  7. JoannaNovember 30, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    A gun is manufactured, which requires forethought and effort, which makes it evil. Blunt objects just happen.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. JohninMd.(help!)November 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

      A gun, or knife, brick, pipe, 2x4, rock, tree limb, pointy stick, etc., either natural or manufacterd, are compleatly, terribly NUTRAL. Evil can only come from the intent of the wielder.....

      Delete
  8. Bubblehead Les.November 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    I hate those Signs. Personally, if one can jump through the Hoops to have a CHP, then Businesses should trust their customers enough to leave their Guns alone.

    ReplyDelete
  9. Rob KNovember 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    The anti-s don't care if you get murdered or raped or robbed, just so long as no gun is used in the crime.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Rey BNovember 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    As long as no gun is used in the defense.

    ReplyDelete
  11. The FreeholderNovember 30, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    I'm so glad that my local purveyor of e-e-e-vil has a policy that allows us concealed carriers to just waltz right in as long as we refrain from touching it. Unless, of course, and attempted robbery starts up, in which case everyone is invited to the party.

    Not a direct quote, but yeah, that's the gist of it.

    ReplyDelete
  12. SkipDecember 1, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    My local shop has a verbal that if your packin' (no OC in Kali), don't touch it.
    I wanted to do some comparisons for a buy and they sent me outside to shuck the mag and the one in the pipe.
    I did and found what I wanted.
    Then had to reload outside again.
    Lot of touching, not cool.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Roberta XDecember 1, 2012 at 6:16 AM

    Ken: Only if they don't know what the prices should be or don't mind paying well above MSRP. Or mind the relentlessly skeezy ambiance.

    Best story from there is the time my ex was looking at a Bersa .380. He was fond of them (!) and expressed surprise at the very high price being asked for a straight-blowback handgun. "It's got a competition-grade guide rod!" said the clerk.

    Which seemed odd, since that particular gun doesn't have a guide rod; the spring is concentric with the barrel.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ken ODecember 1, 2012 at 3:35 PM

      Ugh, we have two of those joints here. One marked a used Bersa .380 at $486. In the other, i watched the sales genius cluck his tongue and tell the Korean War Veteran looking at a 1911 that pistols should never be carried cocked, because it is unsafe. I have taken my busines to the local NFA manufacturer/store.

      Delete
  14. TamDecember 1, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    Skip,

    "I wanted to do some comparisons for a buy..."

    I have never in my life needed to draw my loaded heater in order to buy another one.

    ReplyDelete
  15. AnonymousDecember 2, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    "I wanted to do some comparisons for a buy..."
    Yeah; that struck me as...odd. -- Lyle

    ReplyDelete
  16. markmDecember 3, 2012 at 7:33 AM

    "that particular gun doesn't have a guide rod; the spring is concentric with the barrel."

    So the clerk was calling the barrel a "guide rod"?

    ReplyDelete
  17. LCBDecember 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Roberta,
    What kind of case do you use to lock your gun when you go to work. I have exactly the same need...

    ReplyDelete
  18. AnonymousDecember 3, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    It's an inexpensive flat steel case, with provision for a light steel security cable. I'll have yo look up the brand. It would slow down a thief and it complies with the law but it's no gun safe.

    ReplyDelete
  19. Rob KDecember 3, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    The law only requires that it be "locked in the trunk of the employee's vehicle, kept in the glove compartment of the employee's locked vehicle, or stored out of plain sight in the employee's locked vehicle." No lockbox required.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title34/ar28/ch7.html

    ReplyDelete
  20. LCBDecember 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    Thanks...that's good enough.

    ReplyDelete

Comment moderation is enabled. Your comment will not be visible until approved. Arguing or use of insulting or derogatory language will result in your comment going unpublished: no name-calling. Comments I deem excessively partisan will not be published.