Saturday, August 30, 2025

About Our Lack Of A National Religion

     Some awful things have happened over the past week, and I'll get into them, but first --

     A commenter took offense at my pointing out, despite the strange and unfounded claims of Indiana Lieutenant Micah Beckwith,* the United States of America is a secular democracy that, by Constitution and law, does not promote or privilege any particular religion but protects the free exercise of all religions. 

     I grew up taking that for granted; it was a bland axiom, as uncontroversial as the sun rising in the east.  "Was" is apparently the operational word there, so let's review, starting with the relevant parts of First Amendment:
     "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof [...]."
     Seems simple enough.  The first part says the Federal government can't make any religion special and the second part says the Feds don't get to stop 'em, either.  Congress has a website with a lot of explanation of the history, intent and application of those few words, with extensive reference footnotes, but there isn't any secret hidden codicil or exemption for some sort or generic Christianity or the slightly wider handwaving of Judeo-Christian belief.†  "No law respecting...or prohibiting" is sweeping.

     With that as background, you've got to wonder what the first generation of Feds thought about it.  After all, they'd lived through it, and could be expected to have a firm grasp of where the Bill of Rights left the relationship between religion and the Federal government.  Oh, if only they'd left us some official word, and not just letters to Danbury Baptists...!

     Thing is, they did.  But first, a digression to Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, which says:
     "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding."
     Got that?  Treaties have the force of Federal law.  Presidents and Senators may safely be assumed to know this.

     In 1796, President John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, after the U.S. Senate had approved a resolution of ratification.‡  Adams had been Vice-President when the Bill of Rights was passed and the proposed Amendments were sent to the states; he had taken the VP's job of presiding over the Senate very seriously.  We can expect him to have followed the debate.  Not a few of the original group of U.S. Senators were still on the job, too.

     Article 11 of the version of the Treaty of Tripoli that the Senate approved and President Adams signed begins, "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; [....]" and goes on to assure the Pasha that the Feds hold no religious enmity towards him or his country.

     Our President and Senators knew what it said, and they were okay with it; they knew that treaties, once ratified, become part of the "supreme Law of the Land" in the U.S. and they were clearly okay with that.

     The Federal government of the United States of America is a secular government, under which all residents are free to follow their own religious faith, and (if they wish) to look to it for guidance.  Individual members of the three branches of government, elected and appointed, may of course do so -- but the Constitution is the foundation of our law, not religion.

     So when I get comments like this, I know it's nonsensical blather:

     "Wrong. No Established Church does not mean an anti religion nation. That is the alternative. Another  'church' takes it place. Marxism, climate change, LBGTQ+ET.EL. You are anti Christianity and that is a loser in America."

     I invite readers to scrutinize the blog post to which that comment was directed, "Ipse Dixie," for any evidence that I am "anti Christianity" or that I think our country -- in which the Feds are barred from prohibiting the free exercise of religion -- is or ought to be "anti religion."

     As for the commenter's proposed alternatives to Christianity, the only one of them that has claimed to be§ would be Marxism, and you can find folks with conventionally religious -- even Christian -- versions of it.  As an economic and political theory, no version of it has worked out, but people do keep on trying, often with guns.  You can find lots and lots of sincerely churchgoing LGBTQ+ people, climate activists and climate scientists, and -- this being the United States of America, with our Bill of Rights still, so far, intact -- you are welcome to form your own opinions about them, but those other things do not constitute or replace religions. 
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* Recent reporting has revealed his utterly brazen use of State funds and facilities to promote a partisan political agenda.
 
† This is essentially the polite way to say, "Monotheism, but only the right kinds of monotheism," leaving Sikhs and Muslims and several others out in the cold.  Of course, once you've thrown all but two faiths under the bus, there's always the guy who argues that adding just one more won't hardly matter....
 
‡ The Senate doesn't actually ratify a treaty; that happens after all parties have signed it.  What the Senate does (or does not), by a two-thirds majority, is agree that the President ought to sign it.
 
§ Well, kind of.  Classical Marxism calls religion "the opiate of the people," claims it is used as a means of control and aims to suppress it.  Countering this, multiple examples of religiously-based opposition to exploitive or oppressive governments, as well as examples from thousands of years of history, across multiple faiths, demonstrating that telling someone their religion is a lie doesn't stop them from continuing to follow it, often even under threat of force.

8 comments:

ambisinistral said...

Once again, you do not have the integrity to post the commentor's comment so we can have some context. I will give you some credit though, you didn't launch your usual barrage of ad hominin attacks. Well done for that.

Roberta X said...

Screw you, fascist. I posted his entire comment, unedited, and he didn't have a URL associated with it. He made the front page of the blog instead of readers having to click on a link to see it.

I will not accept accusations of "lack of integrity" from a Trump supporter. How about the Epstein files? How about firing or running off the doctors and scientists at NHS, CDC, etc.? How about your boy admitting that he's trying to "stack the deck" at the Fed by trumping up thin accusations against Board members? How about the stonewalling on the obviously screwed-up state of the President's health? How about pulling National Guard troops into Washington DC to "control crime" from states where the larger cities have higher -- in some cases far higher -- crime rates? How about three-hour televised Cabinet meetings that are mostly cringeworthy ass-kissing sessions? What about Presidential directives that red states gerrymander their House districts in the middle of the decade in an effort to unfairly seat a GOP majority? Etc., etc.

Don't come in here and talk to me about "integrity" while your lot sugar-coats the poison of authoritarianism and tries to force the American public to gulp it down. You're no better than Ernst Röhm's bully-boys.

Roberta X said...

I will point out to readers that while I put a couple of hours into researching this blog post, the first commenter failed to address a single point I made, while dashing off patronizing calumny without stopping for breath.

In the short term, liberty and democracy operates at a disadvantage against fascist goons. Over the long term, well, we whipped 'em back to their kennels and beyond last time, and we can do it again.

Joe in PNG said...

As a Christian, the last thing I want is an officially 'Christian' nation, because those are inevitably hostile to Christianity. And as a lot of the Founders were descended from ancestors who fled religious persecution by State Churches, they really did not want that to happen here.

John Peddie (Toronto) said...

Keep up the good fight !

Anonymous said...

It happened here in the early days of the colonies, showing that people fleeing persecution had no problem persecuting Those Other People.

Robert said...

Roberta X:
It is obvious that you devoted considerable time to this blog post.
Thank you. Well-researched posts are so much better than the foaming-at-the-mouth blather that define too much of the internet.

As for ambi-sinister: looks to me like trolling masquerading as reading comprehension failure.

Cop Car said...

I, for one, have appreciated your in-depth research and even-handedness for years. (And my opinion is much more sincerely held than I perceive the stated opinions in The Felon’s cabinet meeting to have been.)