Sunday, February 03, 2013

Fisk This

Some nasty propaganda from the other side, awaiting the fisking-table:

     Mother Jones: 10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down.  Bonus: includes their already-discredited claim that no "armed civilian* has stopped a mass shooting," thanks to their setting the definition of "mass" at "four or more" and ignoring the expressed or implied intent of the would-be mass shooter.  See also the cherry-picked scattergram under Item 2, complete with incorrectly-described (and biased!) source material.  (You'll find more recent and better-documented scattergrams in the back numbers at Sebastian and Bitter's blog.)

     A very nasty hack-job under the title "The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery" simply begs to be taken apart.  A thin collection of largely out-of-context quotes tries to prop up a tortured reading of the word "State" in the Second Amendment; things go downhill from there.  The thesis seems to be that if the 2A can be shown to have been added in support of slave-revolt suppressing militias, why, then, the Amendement must be altogether bad -- even though these days, it supports the right of all of us to keep and bear arms without regard to race or ethnicity.  (The editors there appear to delete any effective refutation of their nasty little notion, by the way.)

     Fisk away, my friends.
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* MJ appears to believe the police are not "civilians."  Funny, I find no mention of them among Uncle Sam's seven uniformed services

11 comments:

The Jack said...

Weerd Beard has a rather good fisking here

http://www.weerdworld.com/2013/heavy-fisk-of-myths/

Old NFO said...

Yep, but they are going to keep pushing this BS, and hoping the LWLs will believe it...

rickn8or said...

"...no 'armed civilian* has stopped a mass shooting,'..."

Unnnnnh! If the "armed civilian" STOPS the mass shooting, then it doesn't count?

Should future "armed civilians" refrain from stopping The Evil Git until after the fourth victim falls, in order to improve the statistics?

rickn8or said...

Also, thank you for reading Mother Jones so I don't have to.

Bubblehead Les. said...

Fisking Anti-Gun Propaganda is like Fisking the Communist Manifesto. The Leftist won't listen, the Right already gets it, and the Sheeple in the Center will ask 'So what does this mean for the NBA Playoffs?"

But it's a Free Country, so go have Fun!

Robin said...

Its rare to see such a brazen "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Tam said...

Bubblehead Les,

"Fisking Anti-Gun Propaganda is like Fisking the Communist Manifesto. The Leftist won't listen, the Right already gets it, and the Sheeple in the Center will ask 'So what does this mean for the NBA Playoffs?""

Now THAT was funny! :D

MonteG said...

For the slavery piece try this:
http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/01/28/the-mis-education-of-danny-glover/

NAVIGATOR said...

SOME EARLY GUN CONTROL MEASURES IN THE 1860-70S WERE AIMED AT FREED BLACKS TO
PREVENT THEIR SELF DEFENSE AGAINST SUCH
GROUPS AS THE KU KLUX KLAN AS WELL AS
IN THE 20TH CENTURY

docjim505 said...

Don't forget the implication that the Second Amendment is ONLY about hunting.

As for the "SLAVERY!" fallacy, it astonishes me that, given the huge amount of writings left by the Founding Fathers in which they pretty explicitly state the the RKBA is about stopping tyranny, some people can make out that it was about something else.

Sigh...

MonteG said...

Dave Kopel just posted this on Twitter, regarding the slavery claim:
http://blog.independent.org/2013/01/30/the-second-amendment-was-not-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/